The Bible should be our final authority, in all matters, we
should follow what the Bible says. And so we are going to follow what I
Corinthians 2:13 says, comparing spiritual things with spiritual and
rightly dividing the Word of truth II Timothy 2:15.
And so we will see how King James Bible use the pronoun it.
Revelation 12:4
Here we cans see that that the word “it” to the baby
itself. And common sense will tell us that the baby is not considered
as a lifeless thing. Even on the other version of the Bible, they have
the same usage.
NLT Rev.12:4 His tail swept away one-third of the stars in the sky,
and he threw them to the earth. He stood in front of the woman as she
was about to give birth, ready to devour her baby as soon as IT was
born.
NIV -19844 Rev. 12: His tail swept a third of the stars out of the
sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman
who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the
moment IT was born.
And there are numerous verses on every version of the Bible that will agree on this subject matter.
(NASB, ESV and NIV) - Matthew 12:45 and Luke 11:26
(NKJV, NIV, ESV and NASB) - Luke 8:29
Ecclesiastes 12:7 –
Here the last pronoun “it” is used to refer to the spirit because the gender was disregarded.
So let us first conclude that the Bible use “it” in any sort of
subject or object, depending upon the context on some of the verses.
Now, let us consult how the King James Bible use or refer to the Spirit through Jesus Christ.
John 14:16, John 14: 26, John 16:7-13, Luke 11:26, Mt. 12:45. All of
these accounts leads us to a conclusion that the Holy Ghost is part of
the Trinity, therefore Jesus Christ knew exactly who is the Comforter,
that’s why it’s always “He”, when the Lord Jesus Christ refers to the
Holy Ghost.
But contrary to to this are some of the verses. John
1:32, Romans 8:16, I Peter 1:11. In these given verses could see that
the King James Bible refers to the Spirit using the pronoun “IT”, unlike
in any other modern verses they use He, or Himself referring to the
Spirit.
Now, when it comes to the issues like this, (of which one is
correct), we have to consider the fact the translators of the King James
Bible are much more wise than what you think, their intelligence of
the translator of the modern version today are no match to the
knowledge of the King James Bible translator, they were not influenced
by the foolishness of this modern generation, Hollywood film maker,
neither they were influenced by any Satanic philosophy of this world.
There is of course underlying principle, why the King
James translator did not alter the pronoun “it”, instead of using
Himself.
Aside from the fact that “it” was in Greek
manuscripts and that every Greek students knows that the Spirit or
pneuma, has a pronoun “it” or “o”. There is still another purpose for
not compromising the truth.
Let us first review how “it” is used on our generation today.
It is used when referred to the person or animal whose sex is DISREGARDED or UNKNOWN.
Now that gives us an idea that Holy Ghost’s gender could be unknown or DISREGARDED.
Genesis 1:7, John 3:8
Clearly, it states here that you cannot tell
where the Spirit could be found, because you DON’T SEE it physically.
Ecc 11:5
It is another proof that man himself can’t KNOW EXACTLY what the Spirit does.
I Cor. 2:14
Now this clearly points out that he could not
easily discern spiritual things, because natural man are not capable
of knowing this.
Therefore we conclude that the KJB teaches us
that the Holy Ghost cannot be easily known by my man and most of the
gender are DISREGARDED because of its uncertainty or irrelevance. So
truly there is no mistake with our King James Bible. “IT” can really be
used to someone who is alive and moving. It’s just plain ignorance
because of lack of study or they’re just lying to prove their criticism
to the KJB.The pronoun it has many uses and is more unique with other
words. “IT” has many practical uses in our everyday life. Depending on
the context, you could understand how it is being used.
Example:
In John 6:20, the pronoun “it” is clearly used in
that verse referring to Jesus Christ. Now this gives us a clear
perspective that the “it” was used in reference to Jesus Christ, not
because Jesus Christ gender is “it”, but it’s much more appropriate to
use “it” rather than he. Or else the sense of the sentence will be
changed. He cannot say in this verse, “HE is I, but IT is I”. The same
goes with the Spirit, the pronoun “it” was used to the Spirit.
P.S.
Due to lack of time, this article is submitted and it is still under development and need some modifications.
Grace and Peace.
Ephesians 2: 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Saturday, May 26, 2012
The Itself Part(I)
According to the Bible the Spirit can move (Genesis 1:2), create (Job
33:4), you could tell a lie to him(Acts 5:3), our God (Acts 10), and
etc.
That gives us an idea that he Holy Spirit is ALIVE and not to be compared to a lifeless thing like a stone, that could not move at its own will. If that is the case, then the critics are right for pointing out that the pronoun IT in Roans 8:16, and 26, is an error. Because most of the modern versions today use the pronoun HIMSELF instead of ITSELF, because they will tell us that the KJV disdains the HOLY SPIRIT using the pronoun ITSELF instead of Himself.
First of all, since it’s a matter of English language, let’s consult some references.
According to Sam Gipp’s research, there is a Greek pronoun for it that refers to the Spirit and for masculine and for gender.
Dr. Gipp’s statements //In Greek every word has its own distinct gender, masculine, feminine or neuter. Masculine gender is denoted by the article "o," feminine by "a," and neuter by "to." The word for spirit, "pneuma" is neuter, a fact which is known to even first year Greek language students.//
Now, let us also consult what the dictionary says about the definition of IT, how we use IT and what its purpose.
Webster’s College 1999
Webster’s 1967 Collegiate Dictionary
Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary 10 Edition
All of these dictionaries, defines “it” —used as subject or direct object or indirect object of a verb or object of a preposition usually in reference to a lifeless thingit was very old>, a plant it is now blooming>, a person or animal whose sex is unknown or disregarded it is>, a group of individuals or things, or an abstract entity it is a source of joy> — compare he, its, she, they
// Person or animal whose sex is UNKNOWN or DISREGARDED//
Example: Who is it?
It is John.
Did you see the baby?
Did you see the baby?
Yes, isn’t it cute?
The cat likes to sun itself.
IT is used in our everyday normal life and IT doesn’t cause defamation to someone, when being referred by the pronoun IT. Our English language system works that way, more than 400 years ago. So, it would be plain ignorance, lack of study and worst they’re just lying, too afraid to admit the fact that their knowledge is incorrect. I, myself, is a Filipino, not a natural born American, but still acknowledged the fact that the King James Bible, doesn’t contain any grammatical error. It only takes a good heart and sound mind to believe and submit to His words. You just need to pray and compare spiritual things by spiritual things.
There’s a part II, about this issue, this time we’ll be using our final authority which is the Bible.
That gives us an idea that he Holy Spirit is ALIVE and not to be compared to a lifeless thing like a stone, that could not move at its own will. If that is the case, then the critics are right for pointing out that the pronoun IT in Roans 8:16, and 26, is an error. Because most of the modern versions today use the pronoun HIMSELF instead of ITSELF, because they will tell us that the KJV disdains the HOLY SPIRIT using the pronoun ITSELF instead of Himself.
First of all, since it’s a matter of English language, let’s consult some references.
According to Sam Gipp’s research, there is a Greek pronoun for it that refers to the Spirit and for masculine and for gender.
Dr. Gipp’s statements //In Greek every word has its own distinct gender, masculine, feminine or neuter. Masculine gender is denoted by the article "o," feminine by "a," and neuter by "to." The word for spirit, "pneuma" is neuter, a fact which is known to even first year Greek language students.//
Now, let us also consult what the dictionary says about the definition of IT, how we use IT and what its purpose.
Webster’s College 1999
Webster’s 1967 Collegiate Dictionary
Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary 10 Edition
All of these dictionaries, defines “it” —used as subject or direct object or indirect object of a verb or object of a preposition usually in reference to a lifeless thing
// Person or animal whose sex is UNKNOWN or DISREGARDED//
Example: Who is it?
It is John.
Did you see the baby?
Did you see the baby?
Yes, isn’t it cute?
The cat likes to sun itself.
IT is used in our everyday normal life and IT doesn’t cause defamation to someone, when being referred by the pronoun IT. Our English language system works that way, more than 400 years ago. So, it would be plain ignorance, lack of study and worst they’re just lying, too afraid to admit the fact that their knowledge is incorrect. I, myself, is a Filipino, not a natural born American, but still acknowledged the fact that the King James Bible, doesn’t contain any grammatical error. It only takes a good heart and sound mind to believe and submit to His words. You just need to pray and compare spiritual things by spiritual things.
There’s a part II, about this issue, this time we’ll be using our final authority which is the Bible.
Baptist History
Baptists > History
"His-Story" is marked along the way by Baptists who have made significant contributions to their time and to the generation they were tasked with reaching the lost for Jesus Christ.
-Pre-Anabaptist History First Century to 1500
Even Baptists do not agree on their own history previous to the emergence of the Anabaptists. Here are the four views that provide some insights into their history previous to 1500.
The Anabaptists 1500 to 1650
These forerunners of modern day Baptists were the Separatists of their day while enduring much persecution in an age that had replaced Biblical truth with tradition.
John Smyth 1554 to 1612
Credited by many Baptists as being the father of the modern day Baptist movement, this Separatist pastor changed the course of church history with his baptistic beliefs.
Roger Williams - 1603 to 1683
Recognized as being the minister who founded the first Baptist church in North America, he is also the founding father of the state of Rhode Island.
William Carey 1761-1834
He is considered to be the father of modern missions having spent 41 years in India when church missions programs were almost nonexistent.
The Sunday School Movement 1780 to Present
From it's beginnings in an English kitchen to modern day Baptist Sunday schools numbering in the thousands, classes to teach the Word of God continues to be effective.
Charles Haddon Spurgeon 1834 to 1892
Hailed as the "Prince of Preachers' in his day, this English Baptist pastor built a church of over 10,000 members in the late 1800s.
The Baptist Dark Ages It was a time when the Baptists of America's southlands devaluated the souls of men just because they were a different color.
George W. Truett 1867 to 1944
He was both a popular preacher of his day while pastoring a church of over 7,700 members and also served as a president of the Southern Baptist Convention.
John R. Rice 1895 to 1980
He was a Baptist evangelist, preacher, sometimes controversial author, and founding editor of a great Baptist publication--The Sword of the Lord.
G. Beauchamp Vick 1901 to 1975
Known more for his great organizational skills, this Baptist pastor founded a strong fellowship of churches and served as the first president of their Bible college
Truman Dollar ? to 1996
The tragic story of a tremendously gifted pastor who challenged the wrong thinking of a large Baptist church but, in the end, committed suicide.
Billy Graham 1918 to Present
This evangelist has preached the Gospel to over 210 million people in more than 185 countries with hundreds of millions more have been reached through television and film.
Ralph Carmichael 1927 to Present
The Baptist church music director who revolutionized gospel music in the 1960s and, thus, initiated a hot button issue that is still argued to this day.
Jack Hyles 1926 to 2001
This Baptist pastor led an Indiana church to become the "World's Largest Sunday School" with over 100,000 members.
Martin Luther King 1929 to 1968 Arrested upwards of twenty times and assaulted at least four times, this Baptist pastor became the greatest leader in the American Civil Rights Movement.
A History of the Baptists
This link will take you to what we consider to be the most concise online history of the Baptists. Dr. John T. Christian, Professor of Christian History at the Baptist Bible Institute of New Orleans, provides a thorough history that goes beyond any other Internet resource.
Source:http://www.allaboutbaptists.com/history.html
"His-Story" is marked along the way by Baptists who have made significant contributions to their time and to the generation they were tasked with reaching the lost for Jesus Christ.
-Pre-Anabaptist History First Century to 1500
Even Baptists do not agree on their own history previous to the emergence of the Anabaptists. Here are the four views that provide some insights into their history previous to 1500.
The Anabaptists 1500 to 1650
These forerunners of modern day Baptists were the Separatists of their day while enduring much persecution in an age that had replaced Biblical truth with tradition.
John Smyth 1554 to 1612
Credited by many Baptists as being the father of the modern day Baptist movement, this Separatist pastor changed the course of church history with his baptistic beliefs.
Roger Williams - 1603 to 1683
Recognized as being the minister who founded the first Baptist church in North America, he is also the founding father of the state of Rhode Island.
William Carey 1761-1834
He is considered to be the father of modern missions having spent 41 years in India when church missions programs were almost nonexistent.
The Sunday School Movement 1780 to Present
From it's beginnings in an English kitchen to modern day Baptist Sunday schools numbering in the thousands, classes to teach the Word of God continues to be effective.
Charles Haddon Spurgeon 1834 to 1892
Hailed as the "Prince of Preachers' in his day, this English Baptist pastor built a church of over 10,000 members in the late 1800s.
The Baptist Dark Ages It was a time when the Baptists of America's southlands devaluated the souls of men just because they were a different color.
George W. Truett 1867 to 1944
He was both a popular preacher of his day while pastoring a church of over 7,700 members and also served as a president of the Southern Baptist Convention.
John R. Rice 1895 to 1980
He was a Baptist evangelist, preacher, sometimes controversial author, and founding editor of a great Baptist publication--The Sword of the Lord.
G. Beauchamp Vick 1901 to 1975
Known more for his great organizational skills, this Baptist pastor founded a strong fellowship of churches and served as the first president of their Bible college
Truman Dollar ? to 1996
The tragic story of a tremendously gifted pastor who challenged the wrong thinking of a large Baptist church but, in the end, committed suicide.
Billy Graham 1918 to Present
This evangelist has preached the Gospel to over 210 million people in more than 185 countries with hundreds of millions more have been reached through television and film.
Ralph Carmichael 1927 to Present
The Baptist church music director who revolutionized gospel music in the 1960s and, thus, initiated a hot button issue that is still argued to this day.
Jack Hyles 1926 to 2001
This Baptist pastor led an Indiana church to become the "World's Largest Sunday School" with over 100,000 members.
Martin Luther King 1929 to 1968 Arrested upwards of twenty times and assaulted at least four times, this Baptist pastor became the greatest leader in the American Civil Rights Movement.
A History of the Baptists
This link will take you to what we consider to be the most concise online history of the Baptists. Dr. John T. Christian, Professor of Christian History at the Baptist Bible Institute of New Orleans, provides a thorough history that goes beyond any other Internet resource.
Source:http://www.allaboutbaptists.com/history.html
Begotten
by Preach Christ Crucified on Sunday, March 25, 2012 at 10:04pm ·
The question is - what does begotten mean? Now, for that, one has to leave the world of English, and enter the world of Greek...Al Einstein you are disgracing that name, that makes you double ignorant of the English superiority over the greek now watch this without going to any greek you worship:
John 1:18 of the modern versions supported the NWT John 1:1 "a god" proving that there is no Trinity and that Jesus is a lesser god, believing in the "eternal sonship" teaching that somewhere beyond or Gen.1:1 there is the begotten God, so therefore you have two Gods one is the begotter and the other one which is lesser is the begotten.
Now what does KJB teaches about the issue:
Hebrews 1 :5 " For unto the which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a son?
Comment: notice "this day" Origen is wrong in teaching the eternal sonship, simply because there is no counting of days in eternity, so when was "this day" that he wil be called the begoten Son?
Luke 1:31 " And behold , thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luke 1:32 "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest...."
Luke 1:35 " And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing shall be born of thee SHALL BE CALLED THE SON OF GOD" ( emphasis mine)
The begotting happened during his virgin birh right there in those scriptures, God can never be begotten.
The question is - what does begotten mean? Now, for that, one has to leave the world of English, and enter the world of Greek...Al Einstein you are disgracing that name, that makes you double ignorant of the English superiority over the greek now watch this without going to any greek you worship:
John 1:18 of the modern versions supported the NWT John 1:1 "a god" proving that there is no Trinity and that Jesus is a lesser god, believing in the "eternal sonship" teaching that somewhere beyond or Gen.1:1 there is the begotten God, so therefore you have two Gods one is the begotter and the other one which is lesser is the begotten.
Now what does KJB teaches about the issue:
Hebrews 1 :5 " For unto the which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a son?
Comment: notice "this day" Origen is wrong in teaching the eternal sonship, simply because there is no counting of days in eternity, so when was "this day" that he wil be called the begoten Son?
Luke 1:31 " And behold , thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luke 1:32 "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest...."
Luke 1:35 " And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing shall be born of thee SHALL BE CALLED THE SON OF GOD" ( emphasis mine)
The begotting happened during his virgin birh right there in those scriptures, God can never be begotten.
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